Okay Kat, Tami, and Dynomitegirl, I've read your comments (very appreciated, by the way), and of course I've got more to say.
Don't I always? I'm such a word hog.
Tami: I have to concur with Kat's opinion. I don't think your two ideas (truthfulness of church & sexist God) are mutually exclusive. But I'll present a different rationale as to why.
Dynomitegirl suggested that our experience on Earth includes pain, joy, hurt, and ugliness (my paraphrasing). May I add inequality, injustice, and conflict to that list?
Certainly humans from all eras have experienced it. History books are full of examples of those who have conquered, ascended, dominated, or benefited at the expense of some other group of people. The struggle between The Haves and The Have Nots encompasses everything from water, food, education, land ownership, political power, wealth generation, health care, natural resources, and so on.
To be human is to live in a caste system. To be human means that someone else has access to something that is off limits to you, or that someone else has the power to keep you from getting what you need or want.
Isn't it interesting that so much of gospel living focuses on how we treat the poor?
What is so great about America is that the barriers separating one group from another are much more porous than they have ever been in the history of the world. So, admittedly, my lot as an an upper middle class, white, educated female in America isn't too bad, historically speaking. I get that.
But, the church doesn't exist independently of the world's caste system. One might think it should, because after all, it is God's church and therefore ought to be culturally pristine and ideal. Yet it's comprised of people who are well versed in the Have/Have Not philosophy.
So, is the church true? Nope.
But I'm settled on this: The gospel is true (with its laws and ordinances), and that gospel is executed/expressed/lived within an institution (the church) which has been culturally jacked up by imperfect people, myself included. The more I keep these two things separate in my mind, the better I do.
So, is God a sexist? I don't think so.
Since inequality, injustice, and conflict are apart of the human experience AND establishing equality, justice, and peace are apart of the religious experience, He allows us to struggle with the other caste members. It seems like He lets us grapple with our humanness in preparation for Godliness. Could it be that redemption, reconciliation, and restoration apply to groups of people as well as individuals?
Dynomitegirl: We must be sharing a brain vibe. After I wrote my last post but prior to reading your comment, I asked myself what I would do if I were to be called to be the Relief Society Enrichment person (Oh, please never let this happen. That would be worse than Scouts). It's one thing to yip about Relief Society, as I have done so well, but it's quite another to be in a position to do something about it. So, no apology needed, Sister Dynomite.
And as I thought about it, I was stumped. What would I do? What activities would I plan? I loved your idea about a lecture on LLC vs. S-Corp. I'd show up for that, but I had a hard time thinking up other ideas. I see your predicament regarding planning activities that have a broad appeal.
But I had this thought: What if hidden talent in the ward were mined so that women who have non-traditional or rarely celebrated talents or gifts could share what they know or do? Certainly there are some hidden gems in every ward.
Tami: Okay, now back to Tami's question: Where does she (or we) go from here? I had a really awesome thought on this today.
In my last post, I proposed the idea that the church doesn't know what to do with college educated women who end up in the suburbs. But I had the thought that this generation-- our generation-- is a transitional generation of women in the church, and as such, we are not to expect to be the beneficiaries of an improved culture but to the creators of it. True, we don't have many mentors in this endeavour. It's sort of uncharted ground, really. But what we do will set a precedent, will become apart of the local value system.
Kat: And this leads me to Kat's questions regarding my goals.This is kind of a hard one. You'd wouldn't think it would be with all the ranting I've done. I'm afraid I've given the false impression that I had it all figured out... had a whole list of things to accomplish.... just waiting until I could get the last kiddo in school..... and off I'd go on my projects.
And this is my schizo part. For all that yapping I've done, I lack some confidence in this. I'm a little freaked out about this next phase of life. I'm not sure what I'm capable of, or if I'll be good at it, or if I can really do it.
Gosh, I sound like such a wimpy turd. Would someone please smack me? Please.
So, here's the decision I want to make but am scared to make: I want to create an heirloom family library and distribute complete sets throughout the clan. I'd like to create full histories for the adults as well as books for the kids to keep in their rooms. Nothing like that exists now. No histories have been written. Photos are scattered here and there. There is nothing to pass down to my children or to my siblings' children. I guess I want to use all the stuff I know about research and writing to build something that will last and that will benefit my family.
And, I can hear Kat in my head now, "GO DO IT!" This is why I appreciate Kat. She tells me what I need to hear. (But will she smack me when needed?)
Update: I'm sorry I didn't get to address Sharon's comment in this post. She commented while I was writing and I didn't see her comment until this post was complete. It's now midnight and I'm too tired to rewrite!
Last but not least...Tim's Turn
2 hours ago

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Stimulating discussion. At 2 am, I am reading your last several posts after getting up to greet "my boys", ages 26 & 28, who just arrived from Portland & places beyond. I have struggled with the expectations for the LDS mother through my adult years. I have almost always worked - part time or fulltime. I have been lucky to live in small community where I was accessible to my kids while at work & could alter my schedule somewhat for their needs. I rarely missed their school activities, sports, etc. When in high school, one of my sons asked why I did not make a hot breakfast every morning like his friend's mother did. My kitchen was always stocked with nutritious choices. My repsonse was that my goal was to raise self-sufficent sons.
Just a few of my "un-sisterly " opinions:
*How can the Church encourage higher education & job training, then expect women to set it aside until a catastrophy in their lives when they may be required to support their family? With today's explosion of knowledge & technology, one become obsolete quickly. Oh me of little faith.
*I hate sitting through RS lessons when the instructor reads portions of the manual, then makes emotional comments about the content without delving into the doctrine or any possiblilties that are below the surface.
*Why does the Church News refuse to acknowledge the careers of the wives of those men who have been called as temple presidents, mission presidents, etc? Surely some have made meaningful contributions in business, education, medicine, etc. The only exception I have noticed: Anne Osbourne (I hope I am recalling her name correctly), a radiologist at the U who married later in life.
Nevertheless, I am comfortable with my personal adventure in motherhood. It is important to differentiate the Gospel & the LDS culture. Please excuse my random thoughts - as is way too late - or early. Thank you. Joy's Mom
I have returned to your blog to redeem myself as the home family and personal enrichment lady.....I was pondering your post (you know it is a good post when you are still pondering it hours later) then it came to me, I have planned some things that may fall into the deeper thinker category. We just had a little get together where we learned about investments, not your simple stuff either, the stuff that took some real background knowledge to get. It was even very well attended.
I also want to add my thoughts to Tami's comment. I think there is a fine line between, religion, God, and culture. These lines become blurred and intertwined. I personally have struggled with this. The Mormon culture is not really the essence of our religion, and is our religion really the essence of God?
Is God sexist? That is such a good question. What would it mean to believe in a sexist God? Is God sexist if he believes that men and women were created to fill different roles. I think our church believes this, do I? I am not sure. I certainly fill compelled to raise my children by being a stay at home mom, but what if I didn't?
Which brings me to our Heavenly Mother. I have always struggled with the lack of her mention. I have never felt comforted by the excuse that she is not mentioned to protect her from ugly mortals. IN my mind this places her in a victim role as a women who needs to be protected and rescued. Yuck, I don't want to be a victim and I can't imagine a Heavenly Mother who is not strong enough to take care of her self. So why no mention of her?
Did I mention that I am a budding feminist, who grew up conservative, quiet, with no real goals other than having a lot of babies. I woke up one day and realized it was time for me to discover what I really want. Most of my ideas are changing and taking form. Feminism is one of my hot buttons, I have so many thoughts on this subject but few ears who want to hear it. Thanks for the chance for some word spewing.
This conversation is fascinating! Wonderful fun, girls! I will add more thoughts in a bit. And Dynomitegirl, I'm ALL ears!
Thank you Brenda:
"So, is the church true? Nope.
But I'm settled on this: The gospel is true (with its laws and ordinances), and that gospel is executed/expressed/lived within an institution (the church) which has been culturally jacked up by imperfect people, myself included. The more I keep these two things separate in my mind, the better I do."
When I wrote my previous comment, I had typed I do believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true, but then I crossed it out and put church feeling that the statement needed more explanation then I had time to give. I agree with what you said.
Anonymous: Interesting thought you put out there here: "How can the Church encourage higher education & job training, then expect women to set it aside until a catastrophy in their lives when they may be required to support their family? With today's explosion of knowledge & technology, one become obsolete quickly. Oh me of little faith."
On one side I feel this deeply. A degree in journalism acquired some 15 years ago will not get me a job at the local paper or TV station today. At times I feel the despair and futility of this idea. However, I have started looking to see if I used that information I learned at the time in other areas of my life and the answer is an unequivocal YES! Mainly I have used it in two ways. First educating my children. My kids can often be heard expressing their opinions on world/national or political issues because one I talk to them and others in my daily life about those things. They read the newspaper and are more likely to know the supreme court justices than who the Jonas Brothers are. For me that's a good thing--something that is important to me--to be well versed in what is going on around us. Second I have used my photography skills, my marketing skills, my writing skills etc learned from Journalism in running my company. Granted it may have been better if I had a business degree, :) But I think what I do know has benefited me. So I guess my point is, while I have felt deeply this point, I have come to understand that just because I have not used my degree to make a living in the traditional manner I have USED my degree and continue to do so in my daily life.
Dynomitegirl--Thanks for stopping by my blog. I wish we lived closer (actually I'm not sure where you live.) I would love my son to have a friend that thought it was cool to do science experiments for fun. My boy too loves National Geographic, loves watching things like Nova. You commented on my Science vs. Religion post (not sure if you would head back there so I decided to respond here.) so you know my feelings on the subject...you might suggest your son read the book I think he would have a kindred spirit in Henry J. Eyring.
As to the idea between the gospel/church/culture I wanted to make one point. The truthfulness or not of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not dependent on anything other the the truthfulness of the laws and ordinances. Throughout the history of the world people could say Well if the church were true then say...Abraham wouldn't have taken Hagar to have his child and started the underlying discord between Mulims & Jews, or Joseph Smith would have known how to invest money better, or "the seminary teacher would not be a sexual predator or the stake president wouldn't have stiffed me on a bill" (Just examples of something someone might say) Indeed in the last examples those people would act differently if they were following their professed beliefs, but their actions in no way changes whether or not the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true. That is something that each individual must know for themselves independent of the church or prevailing culture.
Ditto to what Tami said: I'm ALL ears!
My mind is churning ladies! I hope Tami and Sharon weigh in again soon. I'll be back with some thoughts.
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